rolling harriers

I only blip the throttle if the nose drops... otherwise I only add throttle to maintain the high alpha angle of attack and altitude.

I have never seen one of these...can someone tell me how these are done or do you have a video at least of what it looks like...

Here's me last April. It was cold out so don't grade it to harshly.

www.tufflight.com/4d_rollers.wmv

You know what a harrier is right? OK good. A rolling harrier is a harrier while rolling the plane with the ailerons. You need to keep in sync with right rudder, down elevator, left rudder, up elevator, etc. to keep the high AOA when rolling CCW. Hope this helps.

steener said:

You know what a harrier is right? OK good. A rolling harrier is a harrier while rolling the plane with the ailerons. You need to keep in sync with right rudder, down elevator, left rudder, up elevator, etc. to keep the high AOA when rolling CCW. Hope this helps.

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Any way you could program that for my thumbs?

I will let you know as soon as I figure out how to program mine. Still some glitches.

Thanks...Ok
Now on my shocky, if I have a high angle of attack and I do a slow roll...it seems to keep that angle of attack just with a little down without having to use any rudder. Does the amount of rudder necessary just vary or do it just make it look better...?

3d-aholic said:

Does the amount of rudder necessary just vary or do it just make it look better...?

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You're adjusting ALL 4 controls all the time if you want to keep nose angle, altitude and roll rate constant. In constant wind and direction, you can get a rhythm going, but if you're not careful, you'll rely on the timing of the motions, and it won't be right if you start to steer around in circles or squares or whatever patterns you like -- even Loops.

I'm working on doing rollers to the right now on the sim. I got too into the left hand groove.

I saw Gary S. do a rolling harrier loop at Nashville. It's nice to have inspiration that lets one know there're always room for more practice.

NVM

Ok brothers...share the wisdom.

What strategy did you use to learn these.... My attempt at this time seems to leave little room for error.

I can do about three rolling harriers in a row before they fall out with the mojo but with my shocky I could do them all day long. Witht eh shocky you don't need to use rudder at all except to turn it. I have dorked several planes trying to learn rollers and destroyed a burrito man it has been fun :lol:. I have to keep practing.
Brandon

So your hovering with up stick, you add left aileron, add right rudder, while removing up stick through neutral, remove right rudder through neutral while adding down elevator, remove down elevator through neutral while adding left rudder and remove left rudder while adding back up elevator....repeat right?

Or is this all wet?

Maybe, the best way to learn this to do an upright hover, turn it into a knife edge hover, then an inverted hover, then a knife edge hover and then increase the speed?

You've got the right idea, but you have to react to what the plane is (or isn't) doing. Buying a sim can really save you some $$$, and makes getting this maneuver down much less stressful.

I'd buy a sim...but it looks like I would to buy a computer first so its a bit on hold. I'm trying to talk my wife into giving up the hold computer for the kids so I can get a new one for myself and a sim.

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So your hovering with up stick, you add left aileron, add right rudder, while removing up stick through neutral, remove right rudder through neutral while adding down elevator, remove down elevator through neutral while adding left rudder and remove left rudder while adding back up elevator....repeat right?

Or is this all wet?

Maybe, the best way to learn this to do an upright hover, turn it into a knife edge hover, then an inverted hover, then a knife edge hover and then increase the speed?

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Sounds good, now print your instructions out and tape it to your tx. If you ever get crossed up, just look down at your instructions to get lined out.

What kind of system do you have? Did you consider getting just AFP? I'm running it on a 98SE 1.6 athelon with a mid stream vid card (5700 ultra - probably $100 by now). It works fine, and will even play music on Winamp in the background and still get good frame rates. AFPD may require more horsepower, but AFP seems to run decent on the older systems.

Get comfortable flying upright harriers until you can steer your plane around at will. Now get used to flying inverted harriers until you can steer your plane around at will. Now get comfortable flying high angle knife edge in both directions until you can steer your plane around at will.
Once you can do all this you will be able to enter or exit a harrier at will, in any direction even while rolling.
Another pilot better than me explained this to me, you should try to learn new maneuvers one part at a time until you are comfortable with that part of the maneuver. Once you are able to do all the parts of a maneuver, just put them all together.

Hope this helps

Jeff

I've tried my brother's AFPD and it is truely fantastic, but I 've been spending all my cash on Lithium packs, which leaves little for a sim, so I went back to my trusty copy of FMS. While FMS sucks at hovering, I've found it good for a great many things, including practicing rolling circles and rolling harriers. If you're short on cash, put need/want extra stick time, I still find FMS to be a good value. Just don't plan on hovering practice, because it ain't gonna do it.

When it's too windy to fly during lunch, I usually just fire it up in my office and get an hour of stick time in.

I got my USB interface for fms here:
http://www.tti-us.com/sim/

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I 've been spending all my cash on Lithium packs, which leaves little for a sim

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That must mean you have lots of foamies, supposedly those are the best 3D trainers there are ?