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OK, maidened mine today. Very brief review: Fastest building, best quality ARF I've ever seen, period. VERY light for an ARF too. 4#7.5oz w/ Saito .72.

After 5 flights, and even barrowing Bill's to compare, all I could say was "it aint no Sledge". Maybe that's not fair, and HOPEfully it's my problem Because I want this bird to be my main "no fear" ride. I just Love the Tonka Sledge too much to really go to the next level.

Here's my issues: HARRIER!! Oh, and Elevator. Basically whenever I use a lot of elevator, the planes go nuts. I can ride full ele on the Sledge all day, no prob. Spoilers were no help. Bill and I finally found the right words to describe how we felt: "Everything is a lot more work"

Now I've seen some of you guys tear these girls up hard core, I know that. Help me diagnose this, or if you feel the same let us know.

here's some facts:

Engine Saito .72
Radio gear all standard.
Lateral Balance is good.
CG has been from 1/4" to now 1" behind spar.
KE has very little coupling

OK, I'm ready, HIT ME!!
 

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Gordo,

Without seeing your plane my guess is you have too much throw.
Yup! I said too much throw!
The tail surfaces are VERY effective on this plane and if your running too much, the plane will act like you are describing.
AKAHOVERIT was having issues with his almost exactly like what you are saying. We cut the throws down on the elev and the rudd and it was like a new plane. Locked in!

Try that and let us know.
 

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Try uncoupling the pitch rectifier from the lateral coordinators, and also reduce the control input conductors to a non-reverberating algorithm. If that doesn't help, you might need to adjust the squelching parameter in the quadrosonic square wave inducers. The wingtips must have the proper vortex inhibitors as well as updraft compensation. Don't forget proper oscillation of the magnetic pulse generators! You wouldn't believe how many guys overlook that. :roll:

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Gary Seeloff said:
Try uncoupling the pitch rectifier from the lateral coordinators, and also reduce the control input conductors to a non-reverberating algorithm. If that doesn't help, you might need to adjust the squelching parameter in the quadrosonic square wave inducers. The wingtips must have the proper vortex inhibitors as well as updraft compensation. Don't forget proper oscillation of the magnetic pulse generators! You wouldn't believe how many guys overlook that. :roll:

Gary
You are going to have to put that crack pipe down, Bro... :lol:
 

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Gary neglected to mention the "KHUNOODER VALVE". this gets overlooked alot also.
I have about 45 degrees throw on my elevator, looks like a whole bunch, I cant say enough good stuff about this plane, when you get to Mempho you can fly mine gordo and we can compare them....Ilike mine....I like it alot,,,really a :D lot....g
 

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You guys are all fuckin' nuts!

Anyway, I'm with Gordo here. Mine harriers and elevators for shit too. I'm gonna cut the throw a bit. On low rates, maybe 15 to 20 degrees of throw, it does a really shallow harrier, and does not rock a bit. I land it like that, and it will roll the tailwheel for several feet, even at idle. I'll back off a few degrees at a time until I hit the sweet spot.

I will say that I've never seen a plane like knife edge flight so much. Roll it 90 degrees, add 10% rudder and 1/4 throttle and watch it fly away. Go to 1/2 rudder and half power, watch it KE loop. Full rudder and full power, a 10 foot KE loop. It's amazing how little coupling there is. I'm still flying at a pretty high Turf Factor, but there is no reason. I'm just a big chicken. Once I actually get to Memphis, there will be no reason to hold back. I just need a profile flying to make me feel like I belong there.

6 DAYS!
 

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You guys are all fuckin' nuts!

Anyway, I'm with Gordo here. Mine harriers and elevators for shit too. !
OK, First off I DIDN'T say that!!!! :D I was trying to be nice 'cause I knew there were some in love with this girl! And I agree too Twister, the KE is truly awsomw. If I could never fix the Harrier I'd keep it just to do KE. But I discovered high alpha KE with my Sledge yesterday so who knows (Flew 10 hours yesterday, 3/4 of a gallon, that'll do wonders!!)

Gator, I'm thinking like you. Memphis will be the place to see what's what! There'll be so many of these things there we'll think it's actually the "Extreme Flight Edge Brotherhood"!!!!

Wayne, I noted to Bill that the ele is a lot bigger than the Sledge, and I started cutting back, but like Frank said, just haven't hit the sweet spot. And the truth is I'm a pretty piss poor pilot and have said all along that the Sledge makes me look better than I am. (and some would say that I don't even look that good with the Sledge!! :? ) Anyway, I'm not in total control sometimes, and having to be soft on the ele may just be what I'll need to learn.

As a side question to you awsome pilots, is it best to just fly one plane when trying to improve or is it best to switch it up all the time to get the manuver on various planes? Do you guys notice a big change when you switch around?

 

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Posted: Sun May 16, 2004 2:14 pm Post subject:

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(By GARY: Try uncoupling the pitch rectifier from the lateral coordinators, and also reduce the control input conductors to a non-reverberating algorithm. If that doesn't help, you might need to adjust the squelching parameter in the quadrosonic square wave inducers. The wingtips must have the proper vortex inhibitors as well as updraft compensation. Don't forget proper oscillation of the magnetic pulse generators! You wouldn't believe how many guys overlook that. )

I was thinking it was time for a replacement 3D chip. Them electronics parts DO wear out you know!!!
Like what Gordo says........ Its a Pro-Bro thing.
 

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I wouldn't say the harrier is all that bad. Sometimes it does get a lil duck-walk going, and it will get progressively worse if I don't cancel it out right away. I also find it easier to stop the duck-walk on low rate rudder, I tend to overcontrol on hi rate. But, inverted elevators and harriers are rock solid.

On your 2nd question, I'd say keep some variety in your practice. Don't fly the same plane all the time, and don't practice the same maneuver all the time, even if that's the only maneuver you really want to learn right now. Repetition is good, but you need to get away from the routine every so often and try new things. That's just 1 man's opinion,

Gary
 

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Can't wait to compare rates, CG etc in Mempho. Heck, I can't wait to do anything in Mempho!
 

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mine harriers bad rightside up........cause I'm terrible rightside up :D
 

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Everything I have sucks at the inverted harrier! Or my radio has a problem, one or the other.
 

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Mine harriers like a mofo!! But Gary's right about the wing rock... If you don't cancel it out right away, it gets ugly.... The rudder seems super sensitive to me.... When I'm doing a harrier roll with mine, it doesn't like a lot of rudder...
 

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I dorked mine in yesterday on the first flight. :x

My new saito flamed out @ abut 40 feet and I nosed it down and attempted a rudder turn to line up for landin and it just went into a snap and 30 feet later the ground and my shit met!!
:shock:

Broke the fuse just behind the wing and sent the aliron through the fuse but I think I can have it ready for friday!!!!
 

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Well A friend said it best yesterday, "at least you are not afraid to 3D on the first flight of a new plane!!!! :twisted:

And at least it was not my Burrito........ :D

B
 
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