[wgeffon]

Wow.
Just read through a bunch of posts on here and I am suprised that people are bashing this plane..
I guess what bothers me is I know how many Chris has donated to EVERY Pro-Bro event since he has had these planes in stock.
Some people are even referring to it as the EF POS. Not cool IMO.

I can almost gurantee that if its not flying well or to your liking you are using too much throw on the tail. More is not better when it comes to this plane.

When I got to the Effingham Pro-Bro I met up with AKAHoverit. He told me he was not happy with how his EF Edge was flying. He asked me to fly it and see what I thought. He was right, it was not flying well at all.
He was using barn door throws on the tail making the plane unstable in High Alpha. We took a ton of throw out and the plane immediately started locking in to 3D stuff.
I have another buddy who was experiencing the same thing. Less throw was the cure.
Its not your typical profile. I know Chris did a lot of design refining before he had these mass produced and available to the public.

I know there are people that will never like this plane and that is fine but to refer to it as a POS on a public forum is bullshit IMO.

Chris is a Pro-Bro and his support of the Bros has been endless. Too read what I read in some of the posts just seemed like a slap in his face.

 

[BIZZARO]

My opinion was voiced toward Gator more as to give him a hard time for trading his Sledge.I did not say it on a public form I said it in here I have said that I like the EF but it is not my favorite I will go edit my POS post Guess I forgot to put the smiley face on it.. I'm sorry....

 

[TailSpnr]

Guess I forgot to put the smiley face on it.. I'm sorry....

And dont ever let it happen again!!! :wink:

 

[Gordo]

Oh please, Cris is a grown up, he doesn't expect everyone to like his plane and he doesn't expect us to lie about it or be afraid to say we don't like it. No Bro ever said it was a bad design, that EF was a bad Co., or that Cris was a bad guy.

How are we to decide when we can say what we think and when we can't? I'm sick of every time some guy says " I don't like ________" The designer or seller or test pilot has to "Correct" them. What if the guy who designs for SIG was a bro? Should we be afraid to say that the Fazer isn't as good as the _______?

I for one have hated the EF Edge and Loved the EF Edge so many times my opinion is worthless. Today I hated it in the morning and loved it in the evening. Yesterday I hated it when I couldn't get the harrier solid like my Sledge was the flight before, then LOVED it when I was copying Constrictors KE Watyerfall (or what ever you call it). I KE it all day, and get it locked into a harrier, then a puff of wind ruins it all. What do you want me to say?

So you might say "you suck at piloting and have too much throw and you didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express......" Fine, but I can fly the Shit out of my Sledge (Well, by my humble standards) then can't do the same with the EF. Should I just pretend it's not happening?

 

[wgeffon]

Gordo,

Whoa....
You need to re-read my post. I referenced the fact that not everyone will like this plane. That is completely expected by Chris.
Also, it has ZERO to do with skill.
My suggestion on the lower throws was just a suggestion. Its what has worked with the two people I have come in contact with who didnt like the plane and now do.
It was just thrown out there as a helpfull tip. Not a slam. :roll:

I posted only because I know how big a suporter of the Bro's Chris is and I'd hate to know that he is reading those posts.
Knowing him as well as I do I can honestly say that he would spend however much time in person or, on the phone with you trying to get your plane or issues with it worked out.
Ever call him and ask him about the things you dont like about this plane?
Yes, you can do that with EF. I know that is unheard of in the area of customer service but give it a try if you havent given up on the plane completely.

Chris started EF because he wanted to provide the public with best flying planes bar none. If your not feeling that way about one of his designs I know he wants to hear about it. Just to slam the plane in a forum without exploring reasons why you dont like it IMO sucks.

One more thing, how many planes has Sig donated to our events?

 

[Gordo]

Just to slam the plane in a forum without exploring reasons why you dont like it IMO sucks.

One more thing, how many planes has Sig donated to our events?

What you call "slamming" isn't even close Wayne.....

I could point out "slamming" and this ain't it....not even a little bit!!

.....and what has been said has been all about exploring what we don't like and why! You gave me advice personaly, I took it. Other's flew it for me and gave me more advice. I followed it. I flew others, what more would you have done? Most guys would have chucked it a lot sooner.

As to "Has SIG Donated...." do you honestly think that should be a criteria to decide if we should express a negative opinion? Case in point, if a certain Bro prefers geared motors over Axis, I seriously doubt Billy expects him to not say so because Billy works for Hobby Lobby. On the other hand, when a different Bro SLAMS Hobby Lobby for a VERY poor reason, many a Bro said so. There is a HUGE difference. If anyone came on and actually slammed EF or Cris or you, we'd say BS on that. But if one guy selles his EF, annother trades his for a Sledge, and I keep expressing frustration at how I can't get to love it even though I TRY LIKE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's reality, especially in the Brotherhood!!!

Let it go man, no one ever slammed the EF.

 

[wgeffon]

I can see this is going nowhere..
Your not seeing my point and thats fine..

The plane was slammed.
Proof is in that particular post. It has been edited and was done after this thread was started.
Why edit it if the author didnt somewhat agree with what I am saying?

What more would I have done?
Called the designer himself and asked him WTF?

 

[Gordo]

As a side note, you ought to realize who you're dealing with ( I mean the caliber of guys the Bros are). When I ordered this plane, I ordered 2, because I'd already sold a local guy on it before I even owned one, I had just flown a couple.

Then even this weekend, we (The Bros at the ProBro fly=in in MO) probably sold at least 2 if not 3. Dave McDonald inspected mine closely, and I pointed out the AWSOME construction for which I'm very much on record as to this being the best ARF I've ever seen. Then he flew out a whole tank (yes dave McD flew a F-F-F-Four stroke!!)

Then He flew my Mini. He walked away muttering about the engines and servos he already had to put in these birds and last I knew he planned to order both!!

Bill has also spent time with locals pointing out the great quality.

 

[Gordo]

OK, I'll call Cris.

 

[BIZZARO]

I guess if it comes right down to it I cant believe you slammed me on a Pro Bro form without knowing WTF I was talking about... but fine...I made the Edit the EF is still not my favorite plane but it is one tough POS...

 

[Gary Seeloff]

As far as I can tell, the people that are having issues with this plane have been very open to input, and careful not to step on any toes. One bro inadvertently involved the plane trying to "zing" another bro, and I'm sure he regrets it.

As far as calling the company, I think Wayne could try that himself to see how Chris feels about this thread. Wayne, I'm positive you have the best of intentions in trying to make sure the plane gets a fair shake and to help people enjoy their planes, but I can't help but feel you're overreacting.

Gary

 

[jimg]

Wow.
Just read through a bunch of posts on here and I am suprised that people are bashing this plane..
I guess what bothers me is I know how many Chris has donated to EVERY Pro-Bro event since he has had these planes in stock.
Some people are even referring to it as the EF POS. Not cool IMO.

I can almost gurantee that if its not flying well or to your liking you are using too much throw on the tail. More is not better when it comes to this plane.

When I got to the Effingham Pro-Bro I met up with AKAHoverit. He told me he was not happy with how his EF Edge was flying. He asked me to fly it and see what I thought. He was right, it was not flying well at all.
He was using barn door throws on the tail making the plane unstable in High Alpha. We took a ton of throw out and the plane immediately started locking in to 3D stuff.
I have another buddy who was experiencing the same thing. Less throw was the cure.
Its not your typical profile. I know Chris did a lot of design refining before he had these mass produced and available to the public.

I know there are people that will never like this plane and that is fine but to refer to it as a POS on a public forum is bullshit IMO.

Chris is a Pro-Bro and his support of the Bros has been endless. Too read what I read in some of the posts just seemed like a slap in his face.

Wayne your sooo right, and thanks for setting mine up, the plane is awsome, I've never had a profile that had too much control surface area, usually I just run everything to the max and add a little expo, well not this bird, you don't have to set everything to max throws, if you do it'll fly like crap, but anyone thats seen Gary Seeloff, Wayne, Gator, and the rest of the bro's fly theirs will see it is a kickazz plane.......cya akahoverit

 

[Gordo]

For anyone who is really concerned with how the Bros have treated this situation, see post 113 in the Swow me 3D thread:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_18693 ... tm#1941110

There you will see that a guy who had never seen it walked away with a very positive attitude. I showed him the great quality, told him what I liked and didn't, like I would anything else, and let him fly it.

 

[TailTwister]

Ding Dong... I guess I'll chime in.

Well, I saw where BB called it a POS, and I felt like he was just giving Gator some shit, I guess.

As for the plane, it is just not to my liking. I couldn't harrier it worth a shit, and removed elevator throw to try what Wayne sadi. I still couldn't harrier at all. I moved the CG back, and still couldn't. In Memphis, Gator flew mine, and told me to take off half of my lead. He thought the CG was too aft. While he was flying, I'looked over his shoulder and saw his technique for a harrier on this plane. It was a bit different from what I had seen before. Most 3D planes, you keep anywhere from 30 to 45 degrees of elevator pulled, and work the plane from there. The EF Edge needs almost no elevator to hold steady, and Gator was moving from about 1/2 of my throw to almost centered, faster than I could keep up with. The plane was all but motionless in the sky, but the elevator was moving to keep it there. My Mini, Sledge, Sig Ultimate, and even the TT Fun Tigers required the elevator to be all but pinned at 45 degrees to hold an elevator. I just didn't get it.

Why is the EF different? I dunno. Before I sold it, I was flying it better, and all but backed out of my deal to sell. A week after letting it go, I borrowed it for a demo this past Saturday, and again had trouble in a harrier. It just doesn't suit me. Is is better or worse than anything else? No, just different. Other planes are easier for me to harrier. Better, worse, different, or just easier, you decide. I will say also, I've never seen a plane knife edge like the EF Edge. That is unreal KE performance. If I could consistently harrier it, I would still own it.

Personally, Chris is a hell of a guy. I've talked to him a couple of times, and even complained to him when my gear broke. Everytime, he has taken care of all questions with patience. He also replaced my gear sight unseen.

The EF Edge is a quality level in ARFs I've not seen before. If every plane Chris puts out is that good, he will become a very wealthy man, and deservedly so. I'll support him when I can, but that doesn't change the fact that I decided that the EF Edge wasn't what I was looking for. To date, only the Mini 3D has been 100% what I wanted or expected from a plane. Some will say I'm a moron for liking the Mini so much, but it has yet to disappoint me in a single way, except the color.

I gave up on the Edge, but not Chris or Extreme Flight RC.

 

[BuddyL]

OK Here is my 2c!
I have a EF and I love it!!!!
But that was not the case right out of the box :x

If it is right it flys GREAT!
But if it is not it Fly's like a POS!

Now that I have it right it is my 2nd favorite plane "The Burrito is #1"
If a Bro does not like it He SHOULD say so! Part of being a BRO is to be Honest and NO Whining!!!!!!!! Damn it :twisted:

Chris Is a True Pro Bro and I am sure he wants to know what the other Bros do not like about the EF, Or do for that matter...

Just my 2C
If I upset anyone------- Fuck U---- Get over it and Fly

 

[TailTwister]

Yeah, I guess Bros don't see a lot of grey area. It's either the best thing since glow fuel, or it just plain sucks, I guess...

:lol:

Anyway, like I said, I like Chris, and Extreme Flight. I also have a ton of respect for Wayne. He has helped me out several times.

But I must also say, if I think something sucks, I generally say it sucks. I guess I would want to try and say it in a way not to disrespect anyone that would not disrespect me, but I'll still have to say somehow. Again, I think BB was just givin' some shit, and meant no real disrespect.

Also, I can't see how Chris making donations matters as to this issue. I appreciate him donating quality stuff for our events, but if he were donating junk, I'd still say it was junk, even if he gave us 100 of them...

 

[BIZZARO]

I still do not see what is so bad about (Possibly Over Stable) but I do like Staggerbee's answer... :twisted:

Ok..we all over reacted now go FLY...

Bill (BIZZARO) 8)

 

[GATOR]

What some people may not know is, the sledge that I sold in IIU so that I could get the NIB EF EDGE was built by Bizzaro Bill. I knew when I saw his post that Bill was J/K.

It will be a SAD day when the EF EDGE I'm currently flying bites the dust.
But ................

I GOTS ANUTHERR ONE!!!!!!!!!
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[PaulSwany]

For the record... I love my Extreme Flight Edge.... And the rest of you guys are just a bunch a damn ****....

I gotta say though... that anyone that would trade a Bizzaro Built Gem for anything has got nut sack issues.....

 

[ChuckAuger]

Anybody who read Bill's original post, taken in context, would know he was bustin' Gators balls....not bashing the EF.

I don't particularly care for my OMP FF 540P. I like my Sledge better. But Auger, you ain't no 3D Monster....yeah, but at Memphis Gator and I were talking about my OMP vs Sledge and I had him take the Pepsi Challenge. He flew both, back to back, and I called out what manuevers to try. And there was no contest. But Jess, who gets to fly any number of planes at any event, always hits me up to fly my OMP.....he loves that plane.

So whether or not a guy likes one plane or another is just a personal preference...and the POS reference was not a jab at EF IMHO, but a jab at a Bro who traded a plane built specially built for him for an ARF...a ball busting.

Oh, and for the record, I think the EF 540 is a great ARF..in fact it was the very first ARF I ever bought, so it must have something going for it. But it's locked in a tight battle with the OMP as my second favorite profile...