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OMP are off my christmas-card list :-(

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After paying $24.95 for P&P when I ordered a copy of AFP from OMP I kind of expected it to arrive in at least the normall 10-12 days that virtually every other airmail delivery from the USA to NZ takes.

In fact, when I checked the USPS website I see that for $20 you can get EMS delivery to your door with a 3-5 day delivery so I kind of hoped that this is what they'd be using for the disk/cable/booklet.

Even the lowest priced airmail rate ($9.50) should arrive within 10 working days. link: USPS international rates/times

It's Friday here and the mailman has just come and gone -- still without any sign of my AFP. That means it's now 3 weeks since I ordered and, in the meantime, I've received other packages from the USA and Europe that were sent a week after I ordered my AFP -- and for which I paid significantly less freight for much heavier and bulkier products.

Radical RC and Servo City both charge $12 p&p for sending stuff (including heavy engines) by USPS Global Priority mail and it has never taken more than 7 days (5 working days) for these packages to arrive.

Aircraft-World charge $18 for EMS delivery and that usually takes 4-5 days for reasonably sized packages.

So what the hell's going on with OMP?

Have I been gouged for freight? Why have I paid twice as much as the 7-day USPS Global Priority Mail service yet find myself still waiting after 21 days?

has my order even been processed -- I wouldn't know because they haven't even done me the courtesy of answering my emails.

When I ordered the product nearly three weeks ago, I organized to have a bunch of other modellers from around the area come along to our monthly club meeting this week where I was going to let them have a play. A good 6-8 of them are definitely in the market to spend $ on a simulator and wanted to see AFP in the flesh.

No AFP, no demo, no sales. In fact I gather that the next day a couple of them ordered G2 and all were as unimpressed as I am with OMP's service.

Come on guys -- what's the guts?

The package isn't with NZ Customs -- I checked. It's taken longer than is reasonable even for the cheapest form of airmail delivery. I've had no confirmation that the order (paid by PayPal and accepted by OMP on 22 August) has even been processed and no reply to my email.

If I'd known you were going to send this thing by three-legged donkey I'd have *saved* myself a little money and a lot of time by organizing for a courier to pick it up from you and deliver it to me.

You may have good products (unfortunately I'm not in a position to judge) but your service sucks big-time.
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x-jet

This does not sound like the service I received from OMP. They answered an email enquiry just after I ordered AFP and a 65" Yak. The goods arrived within 3 weeks and their products I received to date have been top notch.
Hate to hear that it's going that way for you. Hopefully you'll find that it really was held up in customs or that the shipping company lost it somehow.

As for the emails, I've read posts where Dion has mentioned not getting his emails. However, if he is aware of it and had failed to do anything to correct it, then it's still his fault. I have 2-3 email addresses I use for different things and it's very very seldom I just "dont get one". If I were running a business and more than one customer complained about me not replying to emails and I "really" wasn't getting them, I would be all over trying to get that fixed, even if just to create a yahoo or hotmail account temporarily.

Hopefully there will be some great explantion as to what happened. If not, I'd either be looking for a full refund based principal or at least a Very Hefty discount on my next purchase if they wanted to keep my business!

Hope it works out for ya. Let us know what happens. A while back I had been considering ordering it too, but I read a couple very similar posts to yours on RCU and decided to buy another plane instead lol.

Rik
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rik756 said:
Hate to hear that it's going that way for you. Hopefully you'll find that it really was held up in customs or that the shipping company lost it somehow.
If I'd had confirmation that the order had shipped then that's what I'd be thinking myself -- but without knowing one way or the other is really frustrating.

As for the emails, I've read posts where Dion has mentioned not getting his emails. However, if he is aware of it and had failed to do anything to correct it, then it's still his fault. I have 2-3 email addresses I use for different things and it's very very seldom I just "dont get one". If I were running a business and more than one customer complained about me not replying to emails and I "really" wasn't getting them, I would be all over trying to get that fixed, even if just to create a yahoo or hotmail account temporarily.
Once again, I can empathize with OMP. My ISP's spam filters sometimes have a spaz-attack and dump valid emails for no apparent reason or I find that my own filters seem to have taken a dislike to a particular email address or subject line and divert valid messages to the spam folder.

Hopefully there will be some great explantion as to what happened. If not, I'd either be looking for a full refund based principal or at least a Very Hefty discount on my next purchase if they wanted to keep my business!
I don't expect discounts or anything -- but I don't expect to be gouged on freight either. $24.95 is far more than USPS charges for emailing a disk/cable/booklet package and that's why I was expecting something to arrive well before now. I've been gouged a few times in the past and I've told those who did so that I would never deal with them again and warned friends against doing so.

One company charged me over $20 in freight for *four* 10g servos and when the package arrived it was in a plain paper envelope worth no more than $0.50 and carrying $3.50 worth of postage. What happened to the other $16.00? If that's what they pay someone for stuffing four sub-micro servos into an envelope I'd sure love that job :)

Hope it works out for ya. Let us know what happens. A while back I had been considering ordering it too, but I read a couple very similar posts to yours on RCU and decided to buy another plane instead lol.
If it's happened to others then I really think OMP ought to review how they're sending international orders out and at least offer the option of choosing EMS courier which offers 3-5 day delivery and online tracking for $20.50. Aircraft-World demand that customers use EMS for international orders (probably after encountering similar problems with regular post) and I'm happy to pay for that level of service.
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Xjet did you try callin' Dion on the phone? Shoot I'd call him collect! I can already tell you their gonna fix your problem. Nobody in business wants this kind of stuff to happen. R/C Rita and I have shipped probably 1500 items overseas and all kinds of shit happens thats out of the shippers control. Since you live in New Zealand things like this will happen again when you mail order. We shipped a Piss on RCU to New Zealand yesterday it cost only 85 cents, I wonder who that's going 2? In closing RCU shit canned me lastnight! I wonder WHY? Boogerboy
Yeah, I'm aware that the postal service (and email) are highly variable things and that shit happens so I'm reluctant to come down too hard on OMP but the way the resulting snafus are handled represents the difference between good and bad service.

That Piss on RCU decal you sent to NZ was probably for me.

It'll be interesting to see whether it arrives before my copy of AFP :)
Well I just wanna say how good the service I recieved from OMP was, I ordered AFP from them on a tuesady morning over their website and it was at my door the following tuesday morning by 6am!!!

Fly-guy

Oh yeh, they said it would take 2-3 weeks and I got it in one.
All the more reason to think that mine's just never gonna show :-(

Still no reply to my emails to OMP either.

I thought that posting here might have elicited some response -- but nothing.

Oh well, if neither the package or an explanation arrives by next week I'll request a charge-back on my PayPal account.

What's the next best flight sim for 3D?
Reflex. Ask Billy about it.
Ummm, I found if you want a reply from OMP send an email to John Drake, not dion, no offence to dion but he has never returned one of my emails but John returned every single one.

Fly-guy
Fly-guy gone pro bro said:
Ummm, I found if you want a reply from OMP send an email to John Drake, not dion, no offence to dion but he has never returned one of my emails but John returned every single one.
Fly-guy
Does someone have John's email address? I've been using the address listed on the OMP website.

I've now heard from a couple of another NZers who bought AFP and their copies only took a week to arrive so I think it's safe to assume mine has obviously either not been sent or has been hijacked en-route -- but until I hear from OMP I won't know either way.
This is a post from RCU that mentioned at least one other guy having trouble getting his sent to Canada. Look at post 20 and on. It was over 7 weeks so OMP sent him a second one. It doesn't say what happened to the first one. If/when I order something from them I'll probably request/require it be trackable.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1927130/anchors_1927130/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#1927130
If you want to send a message to John, just use the email adress [email protected] or whatever the adress is And in the title bar just put message for john drake and he will het the message.

Fly-guy
Fly-guy gone pro bro said:
If you want to send a message to John, just use the email adress [email protected] or whatever the adress is And in the title bar just put message for john drake and he will het the message.
I've just emailed him at that address and with that subject line.

I've also just ordered 4 more HS425BB servos from ServoCity and paid them $12 for P&P including USPS Global Priority Mail delivery.

Let's see whether *they* arrive before my AFP (with its $24.95 P&P) :)
I certainly wouldnt go looking for another sim just because your unhappy with the service from the current retailer. Call Billy or send him an email. Hobby Lobby sells it and Im sure he'll take care of you. Thats where I ordered mine from and they took excellant care of me.

As a matter of fact I think Hobby Lobby's policy is to match a competitors price you find it cheaper elsewhere.

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/flightsim.htm
TailSpnr said:
As a matter of fact I think Hobby Lobby's policy is to match a competitors price you find it cheaper elsewhere.

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/flightsim.htm
They'll match it plus knock off 15% if you show them where it's cheaper.
ChuckAuger said:
TailSpnr said:
As a matter of fact I think Hobby Lobby's policy is to match a competitors price you find it cheaper elsewhere.

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/flightsim.htm
They'll match it plus knock off 15% if you show them where it's cheaper.
actually its 10% but still a bargin
Well I finally got a reply from OMP this morning and they're looking into the problem of my missing AFP.

It appears possible that my sim wasn't actually shipped (although it was bought and paid for over 3 weeks ago) -- which probably explains why it hasn't yet arrived.

Perhaps it's just one that fell through the cracks.

I won't rag them yet because I know that shit happens and nobody's perfect -- although this transaction seems to have been blessed with more than the usual amount of bad luck.

Hopefully they'll FedEx it to me with a tracking number now, by way of compensation so I don't have to twiddle my thumbs for another week or two. :)
Now I'm really pissed off!

I paid $139.95 for my yet to be delivered copy of AFP from OMP which (according to John) shipped yesterday (only 3 and a half weeks after it was ordered).

But, when I go to the website I see that it's now selling for just $129.95.

I hate to be a whiner (it's not the pro-bro way I know) but I'm really pissed that after all the stuffing around I had to go through just to get them to ship it, they didn't even offer to credit me the $10 difference between what I paid and what the product now costs.

Yeah, it's only $10 -- but there's a principle involved here.

Normally when I buy something and find out a week or so later that the price has gone down I just shrug my shoulders and say "that's life" but since they sat on the order for over three weeks and only shipped it well *after* the price was reduced I feel like I'm being screwed on so many levels.

They're gouging for freight, they didn't ship the order for over three weeks, they ignored my email queries, and now they're charging me $139.95 for a product they're shipping to others on the same day for just $129.95.

They've had several opportunities to remedy their screw-ups but seem to think that simply "getting around" to shipping the product three and a half weeks late and at a price that is $10 *more* than the current retail price is more than enough.

I'm finding it bloody hard to say anything nice about these guys or their business practices.

But who knows -- maybe my copy of AFP will arrive by *courier* tomorrow (in time for another wet weekend) complete with a $10 credit voucher -- in which case I'll eat humble-pie and post effusive praise of them.

Hell, I've been responsible for referring shitloads of new customers to the companies who provide me with good service. I'm sure that Servo City, Radical RC, Aircraft-World and others have made a truckload of extra money out of my repeat business and that generated by all those referals.

Right now I sure won't be recommending OMP to anyone who asks me where to buy a 3D kit/ARF or flight-sim (in fact quite the opposite).

But what pisses me off the most is probably the fact that I was *really* looking forward to buying that OMP Edge 540 (now that they're back in stock) and YS63. Hell, I even went out and stocked up on a whole lot of bloody expensive nitromethane in anticipation :-(

What would it really have cost them to make me a happy customer? Not one red cent -- all they had to do was spend $20 of that $25 freight charge on a EMS delivery and ship my AFP at the same price that they're shipping everyone else's..

What has it cost them not to? Well they're out at least $299 (the price of the Edge 540/YS63 combo) and probably a whole *lot* more by way of future sales to myself and the growing band of locals I've got interested in profile 3D flying now.

Hey Paul, put me down for a MoJo when they're available -- at least I know you've got your act sorted and based on the way you handled my Burrito purchase I *know* you understand the importance of looking after your customers in a way that OMP can only dream about.

When my Burrito kit arrived a little bit "scrunched" in transit, he offered to replace the few bits of broken wood free of charge. I didn't take him up on the offer because it was hardly his fault that the USPS got a little over-zealous somewhere along the line. The fact that he was prepared sort out a problem that wasn't even of his own making speaks volumes for the importance he places on keeping his customers satisfied and left me very happy.

Similarly, when Servo City made a minor screw-up on an order last year, they immediately sorted it out at their own cost and very much to my benefit. They despatched replacement items by priority express delivery and had them on my desk in four days. That's what makes for happy customers and explains why I (and my friends) continue to spend a lot of money with them.

Maybe I'm over-reacting and shouldn't have pressed the submit button until I'd slept on this but I'm really pissed off -- what do the other Bros think? Surely OMP could have done better in this case.

ps: Does anyone know the coordinates of OMP's operations? :)
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Its ok dude if someone didnt ship me something that Id been charged for Id be pissy too. A couple days late I can deal with but 3 weeks? uhhh NO
:D
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