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While at Nashville, there was this vendor from Big Al's. I saw one of those metal Himaxx Gearboxes. Figuring it would be better than a GWS gearbox, I buy the thing. I'm just now getting around to examine the contents.

Currently flying a 3DX with a 4100 on it with a GWS "D" gearing. I got the "D" gearing cause I was advised to. Expecting to move up to a ChuckieFlyer before too long.

The metal gearbox come with 3 gear ratios; 6.6, 5.4, and 4.3

I'd like to know why one would use one over the other? or better yet, whats each one of these ratio's good for?
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Hell, don't ask us?? What were you thinking?? :D

It's late, I just got in from a pool tournament. I won (of course) I'll try to explain Kv vs V vs ratio sometime
DanHoH, have you ever checked out www.rcgroups.com ? It's the electric Mecca of the internet.

Warning: hours of your life will disappear if you are interested in electrics and you enter this sight.
Yup...that's your one stop shop for E-info!
Yeah its the Mecca..And some dude named Jeffery is the Guru... 8)
Yeah. He's got almost as many posts on RCGroups as he does here :shock: :lol: 8)

He hasn't given me any bad advice yet.
Man, I don't know beans about this stuff compared to those guys. About all I do is try to concentrate on finding stuff that works for other guys and use that.

And that's pretty much where the 4100~4200Kv motors on 3S lipos and 6.6:1 gearing comes from. It's just kinda been settled on as pretty much optimal for 3D on foamys.

The 4100Kv means that for ever volt you put into the motor, it'll turn 4100 RPM with no load. So your 11.1V lipo will turn it about 45.5K. Now when you gear it down 6.6:1, it should turn the prop at about 6.9K. In reality, the battery voltage will drop some under load, and it bogs the motor down some turning the prop, so you don't really get 6.9K on the prop.

Seems like the Himax 2015 4100 spins a 12X6 GWS at about 4200 RPM.

It takes a certain amount of power to turn a given prop. So you might think you could just slap a higher ratio on the gearbox and spin the prop faster. You could spin a prop faster, just not the same prop. The motor and battery will only combine to produce a fixed maximum amount of power, and turning the same prop faster means more power. So you have to go to a prop with less load, like smaller diameter or less pitch.

For 3D, you probably want the biggest prop, so the lowest ratio would be needed. It sure wouldn't hurt to try the next highest ratio and say a 10X4.7 prop. It'll spin faster so you might get similar thrust.

Which brings us to the higher Kv motors, like the 2015 5400. If you run the calculation on voltage, you will see that in theory the 5400 would spin a heck of a lot faster than the 4100. So why not use it?? Since it takes more power to spin the same prop faster, the 5400 would have to make more power than the 4100...but they are both rated at basically the same power level. So you have to run a smaller prop and turn it faster. You could gear it down, but 6.6:1 is the lowest ratio you have.

Or run a 2S lipo. Doing the voltage calculations now at 7.4V, it turns fairly close to what the 4100 did at 11.1V. And there are some gearboxes out that would allow you to gear it lower than the 6.6:1 GWS D ratio.

So Himax sent 3 sets of gears with the gearbox. The lowest one is "3D Ratio with a 4100 and 3S" the others might work on a warbird and the same motor, or for a different Kv motor, or a 4100 on 2S so you spin the prop faster.
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So what I get from this.... in general;
the higher the gear ratio, in this case the 6.6 I would get higher torque at low speeds, and lose flat out speed at the top end. Which is fine for the foamies, as I'm really not looking for flat out speed.

the lower the gear ratio, like the 4.3 would be used for planes with higher wing loading, and needs speed to keep flying, but as a general rule, don't bother trying 3D stuff, as it may not have the torque.

I realise that other things come into play, such as proper selection of motors, props, number of cells in a battery, current cpacity, et all. I just wanted to focus on gear ratios at this time.

Yah, I could spend time at all the other places, but I'm having trouble making time for the Attitude I'm trying to build, in time for my Winter Electric Fly-in, which is a few months away. The next project is going to be the ChuckieFlyer. I'm a member of several of these forums. When I go there, sometimes I'm surprised that my name comes up as an already joined member. too many of them, and not enough time.
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I'm running the 5400 in the 6.6:1 gearbox with a GWS 12x6 SF prop on 3cell 1200mah ETec packs. The motor does get hot, but has been working well. I am a little concerned about how hot the motor has been getting, so I'm going to try some smaller props. They're cheap, so worth the experiments.

A lot of guys on RCGroups are running my current setup, though. That's why I got it.
I'd be more concerned about the battery than the motor. I bet the 5400 is maxing a 1200 out. And I bet if you put a better battery on it, it would then fry the motor.

I ran into a little of the battery governor on a Hacker B20 22S. It was drawing about 13A from an Etec 1200...way more than the battery was rated...running a 6.6:1 and a 12X6. So I decided I better get a better pack for it. Imagine my surprise when I ran it next time and it drew 19A!! Way more than the motor was rated for. So I dropped down to an 11X4.7 to ease the load, and put a heat sink on it as well.

I went from killing my batteries to killing my motor by just trying to keep from killing my batteries. It's stuff like this that just confused the heck out of me. I think we get away with a lot of stuff since we run at such low power levels most of the flight. Even those Etecs I was hammering are still useable packs.

making time for the Attitude I'm trying to build
I ordered an Attitude yesterday. Like I needed another plane!! :D
ChuckAuger said:
I ordered an Attitude yesterday. Like I needed another plane!! :D
Did you order the ARF? :lol:

Chuck, you saw mine fly in Texarkana with a gen 1 TP 3S Lipo. I hope you ordered the same recommended power setup, but with a gen 2 3S Lipo. If so, you'll be grinning ear to ear. I got me a couple gen 2 packs since then and I'm loving it.

Or maybe you're going to put an unavailable Lehner in it?

Kurt
Who sells the Attitude? It looked pretty sweet at the Texarkana Pro Bro.
Hey Kurt!

I have picked up another 1020/15. I'm putting it in a Groove 480. I'm now going with the B20 18L for the Attitude...that's the motor I was gonna put in the Groove.. I know Tim Hart has a 1020/15 on an Attitude, but I think the 18L will be plenty and I can run lighter packs, etc.
rcam said:
Who sells the Attitude? It looked pretty sweet at the Texarkana Pro Bro.
http://www.toddsmodels.com/kits.htm
Quicker said:
I'm running the 5400 in the 6.6:1 gearbox with a GWS 12x6 SF prop on 3cell 1200mah ETec packs. The motor does get hot, but has been working well. I am a little concerned about how hot the motor has been getting, so I'm going to try some smaller props. They're cheap, so worth the experiments.

A lot of guys on RCGroups are running my current setup, though. That's why I got it.
Mounting the motor in one of the blue gear boxes that has a built in heat sink will help as well, I was supprised at how much cooler my motor felt after a good run. I am sold on the MPI gear boxes for the Himaxx motors.
Mounting the motor in one of the blue gear boxes that has a built in heat sink will help as well, I was supprised at how much cooler my motor felt after a good run. I am sold on the MPI gear boxes for the Himaxx motors.
Yeah, I want to get one for it.
Okay guys, hope this doesn't sound too much like a post from the other website, but who makes the best Lipos? I've run Kokam and the older Thunder Power, just wondering what else is out there. Also, I have both a 4100 & a 5400 on the way with one of those pretty blue gearboxes. If I want a haul ass plane, like a Formosa, could I run the 5400 with B gears, 3 cells and a small, high pitch prop?
I'm a likin' the Tanics and Irates myself. Tanics at www.tanicpacks.com Irates at www.cheapbatterypacks.com They say the Polyquest and Irate cells are the same, www.maxamps.com has them I just snagged a bunch of loose 2600's for $17.99 ea, that's $90 for a 5S pack!

The 5400 probably won't need a B gear to haul a Formosa, it'll spin pretty fast on a 9X6 or so in C gear.
I like the lipolies from www.falconbatteries.com too . Nice high 10C continous discharge rate and #1 quality for a decent price. www.newcreations-rc.com sells them also (as well as other electric shtuff)
So is an Irate 1500 3 cell really worth $15 more than the comparable Kokam?
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