[446]

all right, is there an easy way to do it? I usually get the rudder all fouled and then forget that I'm harriering then get all screwed up and have to flip it over! most I've seen is flying toward onesself. should I just do that a gazillion times?

 

[latch66]

My 2 cents is to fly inverted using the rudder to turn so you can get the rudder direction worked out. It's unfortunate that your rudder direction is backwards when inverted, but your ailerons are not.

Then it's just practice.

 

[Gordo]

My $.02 is buy my newly released mercury switch that goes between your rudder and elevator servos and rx. Wnen you roll inverted the servos reverse and VIOLA your inverted harrier GOD!!!!!!!

 

[RSands]

You ain't got your Bro implant yet? When it's comin at you move the rudder stick in the direction you want it to go, and when it's going away, picture it as if you're still in front of it

 

[tpstorey]

Gator told me, "push the nose-push the tail." In other words, whatever part is closest to you, push the stick the way you want it to go. I even push a wing tip the way I want it to go if that's what's closest to me.

Oh, ya, and...burn LOTS of fuel, or if you have an electric, move LOTS of electrons.

 

[446]

I guess i'll just have to go flying tomorrow and work on it some more! no substitute for flight time!

 

[Spaz]

i basicaly do a mix in my brain, aileron is the master and rudder is the slave, when inverted just move the rudder opposite the ailerons, you dont even have to move the ailerons but your brain gets it quick, basicaly your impulse is to move ailerons so move the rudder opposit instead, and then you got the rudder going the right way when inverted
Maybe i'm just weird :shock: did that make any sense??

 

[smallfly]

Just when you finally start looking fairly good in a regular harrier, what do you do, futz it all up and try it inverted. BRAIN OVERLOAD... Im just starting to learn but the push the nose coming at you and push the tail going away is paying dividends on the simulator.

 

[Quicker]

Hey, gordo: Is that the thing that failed over the water? :wink:

 

[tpstorey]

i basicaly do a mix in my brain, aileron is the master and rudder is the slave, when inverted just move the rudder opposite the ailerons, you dont even have to move the ailerons but your brain gets it quick, basicaly your impulse is to move ailerons so move the rudder opposit instead, and then you got the rudder going the right way when inverted
Maybe i'm just weird :shock: did that make any sense??

I've found I'm naturally kinda doin' this too. My brain figured that one out on its own, I just suddenly noticed it's part of what I'm doing.

My biggest problem is fighting 20 years of upright-left-thumb instincts. When things get harry my left-thumb instincts want to take over and push the rudder the wrong way--even though my brain is saying, "No, you idiot thumb, the other way! The other way!" My right brain can be stubborn sometimes. :?

 

[446]

slaving the rudder opposite of the ailerons has worked best for me so far; for about 5 seconds, anyway! will have to keep at it!!

 

[Gordo]

Hey, gordo: Is that the thing that failed over the water? :wink:

Hey, that hurt.........

 

[Quicker]

Sorry dude. :wink: I keep seeing that banner and laughing :lol: :lol:

 

[3d-aholic]

I don't understand the elevator/rudder thing as inverse when inverted. Doesn't it also matter if it is inverted flying toward you or inverted flying away from you?

 

[PaulSwany]

If it's flying at you... inverted, you push the nose. If it's flying away from you... inverted, you push the tail....

You can also think of it like this... Inverted: push the thing closed to you. Upright: push the thing farthest from you.

 

[latch66]

I don't understand the elevator/rudder thing as inverse when inverted. Doesn't it also matter if it is inverted flying toward you or inverted flying away from you?

It's like this.

If your inverted and flying away from you, you will need to add right rudder to make a left turn. It doesn't matter if it's flying away from you or not......if you want to make the airplane fly to it's left, you will have to give it right rudder.

If your inverted.......down elevator is up and up elevator is expensive! :shock:

 

[ckoerner]

Here is how I learned it when learning to fly helicopters. When upright , whether coming at you or going away, you fly the farthest part of the airplane that is away from you with the rudder. Example. Airplane coming (tail is the farthest away)at you, move the rudder left the tail will go to the left. If it's going away from you(Nose is the farthest away), move the rudder left, the nose goes left.

While inverted you fly the the closest part of the plane to you. Example- Inverted and the plane is going away from you. The tail is the closest. You move the rudder right, the tail goes to the right. The plane is coming inverted towards you (Now the nose is closest), you move the rudder right the nose will turn right.

I think I got that right. That's how I learned to fly my heli inverted and it carried into my airplane flying.

 

[3d-aholic]

Ok that makes a lot of sense.

Don't drink beer while reading.

 

[basmntdweller]

All this talk of pushing and pulling makes me wish the prosis forum was still here :lol:
Matt

 

[sloanfs]

I'm still not comfortable doing them yet, but when pushed by a few bro's it starts coming together. This is me and Kirkman at Capthis's flyin this weekend. 3-Dreaming was right in there too but I dont have a pic of that