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Like a lot of you I only have so many expendable dollars that can go into modeling.

After about 11 years in this there are a couple directions Id like to take the hobby but moneywise I need to focus on one area. I find myself being torn between spending money on electrifying profiles or moving on to larger scale planes. Uh that would be fatties. Of course there would always be some profile nearby. Or do I just need to fly the crap outa the .40 size glow stuff an wait for the price to come down on the electrics or till I get rich enough to afford both?

So what have you all done an why? Once I commit money to one or the other I dont want to kick myself down the road.
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Electrics are still so expensive that I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. To go that route is a decision you have to weigh carefully. I don't have any trouble with it, but to me it's worth it.

I don't like toting large planes around. They have a cool factor and a wow factor, but they just aren't for me.

The 40 sized glow profiles are a nice size and perform well, and won't break the bank. I wouldn't put myself into an either-or situation for the sake of electrics.
Hmmmm......
As a tool to be used for advancing your skills so as to be truly ready for Fatties I would recommend a good electric!
I hear you on this one! :)

It just depends on what you want to do. Do you ever want to take in an Imac contest? Do you want to invest a few grand in one plane? Or do you just want to advance your skills cheaply, in the back yard? :D

I can tell you from experience having a big plane or two ro three, is a big pain in the ass. They are hard to haul, aggravating to assemble, expensive, etc..... They also require you to be very knowledgable, and careful when assembling and flying. Smaller planes are much more forgiving although the electrics require quite a but of knowledge as well.

I have a couple foamies, a couple big fatties, and several .40 size profiles.

What gets flown the most? Well most likely the foamie, then the .40 profile, and then the big plane. Weather has to be pretty good, and I have to have time to mess with the big ones to justify taking them to the feild.

Would I give up my big fatties??? Hell No! They are my favorite planes! I love Big Nasty, twin cylinder planes! :twisted:
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Maybe I should clarify, I can afford to have a foamy or 2 around.....when I ment electrics I was more referring to ..25-40 size glow planes being electrified.....
Well for about the price of a good 4 stroke, you can buy the motor and speed controller, of course batteries are a nother story. The nice thing about that is if you take care of your batteries they will last over 500 cycles (charges). Price out your glow fuel for that many flights and I think you will find out it is very close,cost wise, especially if you look at some of the new brands of batteries, that are cheaper.

just my opinion, good luck with your decision
The dollar aspect is what steers a lot of guys away. But there are other pros to electrics that some guys don't consider.

Your airframe can be lighter since you don't have an engine trying to beat it to pieces.

Your airframe need not be totally sealed against fuel creep.

You never have to clean your airframe, it stays shiney and clean.

Same thing for your shop..no more fuel or oil getting on stuff.

No more worrying about after run oil, bad bearings, bad fuel.

You never have to tune your engine.

You never have to buy a glow plug.

Never have to be grounded by a dead ni-starter.

You never have to worry about dead sticks (if you have your set-up right).

Less noise to complain about.

Less wear and tear on your flight equipment from vibration.

Less field equipment to lug about. I can fly all day on a small box of batteries and charge off the cigarette lighter plug in the back of my truck. For fly-ins I bring a big battery to run the charger off of. Gas guys can get by on a similarly small amount of field gear.

Sure, the batteries are expensive, the chargers are expensive, the batteries can burn...all of that has to be taken into consideration.

That's what I meant by it being a choice that each modeler will have to weigh for themselves.

But it's sure nice to just plug in a pack and hit the throttle, then throw the plane in the truck and be ready to go home.
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ChuckAuger said:
The dollar aspect is what steers a lot of guys away. But there are other pros to electrics that some guys don't consider.

Your airframe can be lighter since you don't have an engine trying to beat it to pieces.

Your airframe need not be totally sealed against fuel creep.

You never have to clean your airframe, it stays shiney and clean.

Same thing for your shop..no more fuel or oil getting on stuff.

No more worrying about after run oil, bad bearings, bad fuel.

You never have to tune your engine.

You never have to buy a glow plug.

Never have to be grounded by a dead ni-starter.

You never have to worry about dead sticks (if you have your set-up right).

Less noise to complain about.

Less wear and tear on your flight equipment from vibration.

Less field equipment to lug about. I can fly all day on a small box of batteries and charge off the cigarette lighter plug in the back of my truck. For fly-ins I bring a big battery to run the charger off of. Gas guys can get by on a similarly small amount of field gear.

Sure, the batteries are expensive, the chargers are expensive, the batteries can burn...all of that has to be taken into consideration.

That's what I meant by it being a choice that each modeler will have to weigh for themselves.

But it's sure nice to just plug in a pack and hit the throttle, then throw the plane in the truck and be ready to go home.
Dang Chuck, now you made me want to sell all my glow stuff :roll:
Your airframe can be lighter since you don't have an engine trying to beat it to pieces.
Most guys try to build light anyway

Your airframe need not be totally sealed against fuel creep.
Many guys don't worry about this anyway, but it does help.

You never have to clean your airframe, it stays shiney and clean.
That would be nice...

Same thing for your shop..no more fuel or oil getting on stuff.
You'll probably have at least one gas/nitro around anyway so not much change here.

No more worrying about after run oil, bad bearings, bad fuel.
Still have to deal with bad connections, spur gears, pinion gears, batteries going dead/losing power over time etc.

You never have to tune your engine.
Another handy part, but you can overheat an electric which can be a problem.

You never have to buy a glow plug.
I'm sure the cost of the high cap lipos absorbs this and then some.

Never have to be grounded by a dead ni-starter.
Takes a lot less time to charge a ni-starter than it does to recharge a 2000mah lipo.

You never have to worry about dead sticks (if you have your set-up right).
You can still run outta juice just like you can gas. At least you can see your gas tank and if the engine dies, you can still fly a gasser. A bad connection on an electric and everythning can go dead. Just ask Ulf.

Less noise to complain about.
No question there, but personally I like the sound of a 2 stroke and it's unlikely I would ever fly a .40 size electric anywhere I wouldn't fly the same size gas plane.

Less wear and tear on your flight equipment from vibration.
A definate pro about electrics.

Sure, the batteries are expensive, the chargers are expensive, the batteries can burn...all of that has to be taken into consideration.
By the time you got all the batteries you needed, speed control, chargers etc, you could probably buy several engines and a whole lot of gas! If I remember right, I think Spidey (40 size Sledge electric) was about $1400?

Sorry Dan, not trying to spoil you on the idea, I was mostly thinking out loud and stirring the pot a bit. I'd probably have an e-setup if I could afford it, but there's no way I can so this is how I justify it to myself lol.

No offense Chucky, you know I'm fulla shit anyway :D

Rik
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rik756 said:
Your airframe can be lighter since you don't have an engine trying to beat it to pieces.
Most guys try to build light anyway

Try knocking over a pound out of a 40 sized profile and see how you make out
Your airframe need not be totally sealed against fuel creep.
Many guys don't worry about this anyway, but it does help.

Whether or not most guys do it or not is not the point. If they want a fuel soaked piece of shit, that too is a personal decision
You never have to clean your airframe, it stays shiney and clean.
That would be nice...

Well, if you don't even fuel proof your model I can't see how it would make any difference
Same thing for your shop..no more fuel or oil getting on stuff.
You'll probably have at least one gas/nitro around anyway so not much change here.

If I had 3 electrics and 1 glow, and worked on each one equally, 25% of my shop time would be with a greasy plane. 4 glow..100% shop time. 75% is more than "not much"
No more worrying about after run oil, bad bearings, bad fuel.
Still have to deal with bad connections, spur gears, pinion gears, batteries going dead/losing power over time etc.

Indeed...nor would I have to worry bad fuel tubing, leaking tanks, loose needle valves, my plane's engine flaming out and crashing in the trees.. and glow planes still have batteries that go dead
You never have to tune your engine.
Another handy part, but you can overheat an electric which can be a problem.

And you can fry a glow engine if you run it too lean, seen it happen. If you use the proper motor for the plane, overheating a motor isn't a great worry.
You never have to buy a glow plug.
I'm sure the cost of the high cap lipos absorbs this and then some.

Yes, but I don't have to stop off at the hobby shop to get a pack so I can fly, don't have to worry about my last plug blowing right when the wind dies, don't have to live with a crappy running engine because I couldn't get just the right plug... OS F Plugs are $10 at my LHS, 9 plugs and I have a new pack...
Never have to be grounded by a dead ni-starter.
Takes a lot less time to charge a ni-starter than it does to recharge a 2000mah lipo.

But you can't fly at all with a dead ni-starter. I can fly while my lipo's re-charge
You never have to worry about dead sticks (if you have your set-up right).
You can still run outta juice just like you can gas. At least you can see your gas tank and if the engine dies, you can still fly a gasser. A bad connection on an electric and everythning can go dead. Just ask Ulf.

Ulf's crash had nothing to do with a "bad connector". I've seen plenty of glow planes go in from radio interference...seems like you were experiencing some hits at Nashville. A "bad connection" on a glow plane (bad switch, etc.) will cause a glow plane to crash just like anything else. You can still fly an electric plane once the LVC sets in, the BEC on the ESC will provide power to the RX long after the pack has been drained to the point the LVC has hit.
Less noise to complain about.
No question there, but personally I like the sound of a 2 stroke and it's unlikely I would ever fly a .40 size electric anywhere I wouldn't fly the same size gas plane.

That's nice that you enjoy the sound...many neighbors of flying fields do not share your enthusiasm about the noise. Enough neighbors complain and you fly neither
Less wear and tear on your flight equipment from vibration.
A definate pro about electrics.

Sure, the batteries are expensive, the chargers are expensive, the batteries can burn...all of that has to be taken into consideration.
By the time you got all the batteries you needed, speed control, chargers etc, you could probably buy several engines and a whole lot of gas! If I remember right, I think Spidey (40 size Sledge electric) was about $1400?

That was the entire plane. Figure in 4 servos at $90 each, the cost of the kit, the covering job, etc. The power system was more expensive than a 2 stroke glow, but you have to have the rest of the stuff anyway.
Sorry Dan, not trying to spoil you on the idea, I was mostly thinking out loud and stirring the pot a bit. I'd probably have an e-setup if I could afford it, but there's no way I can so this is how I justify it to myself lol.

No offense Chucky, you know I'm fulla shit anyway :D

Rik
And lest I sound like "Mr. Electric", remember my first words in this thread:

Electrics are still so expensive that I don't think they are quite ready for prime time. To go that route is a decision you have to weigh carefully. I don't have any trouble with it, but to me it's worth it.
I'd like to drive a Ferrari, but can't afford it. If I could afford it, I'd sure as hell have one. Same thing with electrics. If I can afford them, there is really not enough of a downside to keep me from using them. A lot of guys won't run 4 strokes because of the cost, a lot of guys run them because they can afford them and like them.

Digital servos. A lot more expensive. Are they needed?? No, but guys who run them like them.

All personal preferences.

Everybody has to have a comfort level in any hobby. I don't see myself flying a $6000 40% plane, but they are more popular now than ever. Guys who can afford them like them. I have a fraction of that cost tied up in electrics. Does that make me a big spender, or a spendthrift?? Depends on how you look at it.

With anything you do, there will be extremes. I have a modest fishing boat, it serves me well. When I go to the lake, I'm surrounded by $40K Tritons and the like. I suppose I could get one, but it's not what I'm looking for in the hobby of fishing. I do have nice reels, nice rods, but not top of the line. I don't run down the dock and tell those guys that I can fish all weekend on the gas they'll use getting to the other side of the lake. I'm having fun, they are having fun.

I went to my first TOC in '96. I about shit when I got a 3W engine brouchure and saw what a 3W 120 cost...like $1575. The 4 cylinder was $2295 or something. I thought to myself, "Man, those things will never catch on! Nobody would drop that coin on a gas engine!". I shoulda bought stock, look at how many are out there.

So my advice to anybody. Spend what you are comfortable with, enjoy what you like.

It's just a hobby.
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Another thing I love about electrics is even a small amount of time is plenty of time to fly.

With alcohol burners I need enough time to get stuff out, setup, get in some flights, clean up, put stuff away, and go home. I wouldn't even think about goin flyin unless I had at least 2 hours and that feels like pushing it.

With electrics, I fly whenever I feel like flying. Sometimes I grab a plane and walk out the front door for a flight in front of the house (and I live on a city street). All I need is my transmitter, airplane, and a couple of batteries in my pocket. I've even been known to take 15 minutes to sneak in a few indoor flights during school hours.

I don't know if I'll ever give up my .40 profiles, but I sure have flown a lot more since I got into electrics.
here's the way I look at it. If you want to have a helluva lotta fun with light wingloadings go with a 25 size electric, keeping in mind a wind of more than 7-8 mph is gonna pretty much screw up 3d completely. for about 500 bucks you could equip with several batteries a nice profile that is quite different with no glow mess to clean when the weather starts getting cold. big fatties are great but you cant even buy a motor for 500 bucks for a 1/3 scale. If you have conqured 40 profiles (you can do rolling harriers, inverted harriers etc on the deck) then you need to get a big fatty to progress your skills. big fatties dont fly like profiles and theres a much bigger pucker factor when you know if you screw up the LEAST it's gonna cost you is 500 bucks. The best option is to own one of each :)
You're right about the price of what you like. I'd either have a 4 stroke or a Jett if I could afford it, but I can get the same or similar results from something much cheaper... so I do. If I ever won the lotto, I'd prolly have both 4 strokes and electrics. Maybe one of those 90 size electrics and maybe even orinthocopter :-D
ChuckAuger said:
It's just a hobby.
For some it is a way of life.....
Drinking beer is a way of life, RC is just how I keep enough money tied up so I don't drink too much.
ChuckAuger said:
Drinking beer is a way of life, RC is just how I keep enough money tied up so I don't drink too much.
Indeed...so going electric $$$ means you must have almost fell off the wagon.

Electrics are very expensive....if your thread starts out with I don't have much money....well that checks electrics off the list. Buying a little shocky or a littly piggy sets you back $600 easily to get in....and at my field they call them toys. You could be burning Nitro for $350 for the same size plane or bigger.
The way I see it...with electrics, I'm buying flying time. Well worth it if you ask me. You pay a little extra...but like everyone has mentioned before....flying glow can be awfully time consuming unless you have a half a day to devote to it (I never do) Hell, I think it's a bargain....there's not many 40% guys or glow guys out there having more fun than me. Like Auger mentioned...my electrics fly soooo much better with such a light wing loading now that they're not so overbuilt. I have alot of projects planned...and I can't say that glow is going to be included in any of them. I still fly glow when I have the time...and enjoy it...but my glow days are numbered.
3d-aholic said:
ChuckAuger said:
Drinking beer is a way of life, RC is just how I keep enough money tied up so I don't drink too much.
Indeed...so going electric $$$ means you must have almost fell off the wagon.

Electrics are very expensive....if your thread starts out with I don't have much money....well that checks electrics off the list. Buying a little shocky or a littly piggy sets you back $600 easily to get in....and at my field they call them toys. You could be burning Nitro for $350 for the same size plane or bigger.
Yeah, that's the comfort level I mentioned. I could be flying $6000 40%'ers or $10,000 jets. I'm not. Be sure and do the math on how many $350 glows I could buy with that amount of money.

I have an OMP FF540 and a Morris Sledge. Both of them have more money tied up in them right now than my 40 sized electric does. Used motor, used packs, scratch built airframe. Sure, I could have spent a lot more, but I think I can get what I'm looking for with this set up.

And I was just kidding about the beer... If I didn't drink beer, I'd be flying 40%'ers in Barbados or something :wink:
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