excap, look real hard at the Extreme Flight Edge 540 ARF. Its head and shoulders above the ones you listed. $149.99 at it is the best quality ARF I have seen to date. I am kinda new here to this forum so I am not sure how to post a picture. Try www.extremeflightrc.com for some info. You can get it at your usual source but call first so he can have it in the store when you drive down. You will be impressed with this one I promise. I have a Saito .72 on mine and its a blast to fly.