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Rule #9 Gets kicked in the Nut's!!!!! :lol:
Motion II: It was moved to remove from the OFFICIAL AMA NATIONAL MODEL AIRCRAFT SAFETY CODE Radio Control item #9, the words "nor should any part of the model other than the landing gear, intentionally touch the ground except while landing."
Motion III: It was moved to table MOTION II. Motion passed: 9 yes; 3 no (VII, VIII, X).
Motion IV: It was moved to refer tabled MOTION II to the Safety Committee to develop an alternative solution to Safety Code Radio Control item #9 the portion dealing with any part of the model touching the ground other than the land gear. A report is to be given at April 24, 2004 EC meeting. Motion passed: 11 yes; 1 no (VII).
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Who is this VII prick any way??? :twisted:
 
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That looks like one of those math riddles.

2 guys get on a train going 50 miles per hour. 1 gets off half the distance of 100 km. 3 guys get on one at each 1/2 the distance of the radius of a 20 mile sphere....

What I'm saying is .... WHAT DOES THE HECK DOES THIS MEAN?
 

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Bah, VII is Bill Oberdieck, he's the VP for the Michigan, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota area. My club has had nothing but bad dealings with him...

Anyhow, my interpertation of this, they've taken the bit about rule #9 out until they can revise it.
 

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They are looking at set back's!!
The bigger the plane the farther you have to bee :lol: from the flightline...
 

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I'll post details tonight, I have to take the kids to swim class. But this is all good news. I'm in close contact with Sandy Frank and Don Lowe, and there is a good chance we'll get what we want. Don't sweat the setbacks, we're working on that one. Don is the head of the safety commitee that the motion was refered to and he was against the rule nine change from the start. I'll give you some quotes and details of the discussion this evening.
 

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OK, I'm home. I was gonna start a thread tonight for this discussion, so this works well for that. This post will be long, so go get a beer.

Here are a few things that Don Lowe hade to say:

"I think that if the council approves our recommendation the tail touching part will be removed. I personally never supported that requirement. I fly giant scale, Iattend a lot of events and have witnessed this maneuver many times; never with a safety problem. "

And "I'm not a tail toucher but I have never been very concerned by the low speed 3D that I see performed all the time. I hope we can clear this up at the April council meeting. I am in favor of the minimum required separation; 25ft"

Here are a couple from Sandy Frank:

"but let me tell you that there are several on the ama EC
that see keeping this rule9 as LIFE and DEATH

and are very stubborn about it..

this will require a full court press

stay on top of this..."

"this will take lost of gentle persuasion
many on the ama EC
just do not see the light
and will try to teach us a lesson for crossing them...

this will possibly need a letter writing and email campaign"

I just wanted to put it out there for you to see who is on our side.

For clarification, You had the first motion for the "removal of the wording from rule 9", that was my motion. The second motion was to table the first motion. Those that voted against the second motion were IN FAVOR of the first motion and wanted a vote. VIII is Sandy Frank. Then you see a motion to refer it to commitee for "alternative solution to Safety Code Radio Control item #9 the portion dealing with any part of the model touching the ground other than the land gear. A report is to be given at April 24, 2004 EC meeting." Just wanted that to be clear.

On Don Lowe, and the "25 foot" separation. First off, he is a very respectable, intelegent guy, who deals every day with 3Ders. Second, he thinks BIG PLANES. 25' to a 40% is like 2 feet to my Taco. And I really think we can convince him of that. Plus, the 25' separation already exists for everyone but the pilot, and is actually much more for spectators.

My position is now firm at WE DON"T NEED NO MORE RULES! But I won't shout or use double negatives with the AMA. You probably already saw my post on The Yahoo groups so I won't go into the details.

If you have some input, please give it!!!!! I'm not here to toot my horn, I want to make sure that we have a voice in what AMA is doing RIGHT NOW!!! This is simply the squeeky wheel (me) getting some attention. If we could convine them to drop this fight now, we will have one round one. I don't hold any fairy tale, happily-ever-after hopes that this is going away. But I prefer to be on the offense, or at least aware of who the enemy are and who are our friends. If nothing else, we are threshing out the "for and against", and in this case there is no middle ground.

Thanks for all 3 of you that might actually read all this!!! :lol:

Gordo
 

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Hey! I thought I read something about the AMA EC and Rule #9??

Anybody read anything about that?? Maybe Gordo will chime in, he has been tireless in his efforts to get this thing straightened out :D
 

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Yea if i can help id like to. Ill tkae some nice tail touch pics for ya. NCE JOB GORDO

DAN :lol:
 

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Gordo, Just tell us when we need to start and the e-mail's will FLY!!!! :twisted:

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Gordo, Just tell us when we need to start and the e-mail's will FLY!!!! :twisted:

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Roger that Bee-man. When the Safety commitee has a proposal ready for the EC, hopefully for the April meeting, we will start a thrust (assuming we are able to suport it). Until then it's mute really.

What I need now is any input on how to present our ideas. Any other evidence that shows how the current system already has the safety required. How to keep the Pilot from being included in the current 25' rule. What are the real dangers of greater separation of pilot and 3D plane? Whatever helps make our case.
 

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Hey !!!! I read it...... All the way to the bottom. LOL
Good job, Gordo
Dan
 
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