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With all of us yelling about DB's latest, did you catch the very next article by Bob Hunt, Aeromodeling Editor? I won't go into the whole thing, but he truley was impressed with the ETOC and makes a big point (1/2 the article) about how this type of flying is what will bring in the next generation of modelers (SOUND FAMILIAR???? We've been saying that for a year!!!!)

I'm gonna post here the letter I wrote him. It's long, so you needn't read the whole thing, just get the idea. It would be great to write Bob and aplaud his stand. If DB is really opposed to 3D as we believe he is, this pits these two against each other!

Dear Mr. Hunt,

I'm writing to thank you and agree with you on your discussion of the ETOC, 3D, and the younger generation. But before I really get into that, I would be disingenuous if I didn't explain who I am. My name is Gordon Barcomb, AKA Gordo, and I am the one who headed up the opposition to the changes in Rule 9 that was recently overturned (with much help from sandy Frank and others). To set the stage for how I see things, let me say that I believe your article was well timed to counter Dave Browns "Presidents Perspective" in the same issue. Dave's last sentence was a call to arms for all those opposed to 3D, as surely as you point out that 3D is the future and the draw for a new generation.

We have been seeing a continued advance of opposition in the "older" ranks (based on time in sport, not age), even as we see an EXPLOSION of interest in 3D by the average pilot. As proof, I simply refer all interested pilots to the pages of MA where every single plane manufacturer has a new 3D offering, most in the .40 size where almost every modeler is at least starting, if not staying. Many of the newest additions over the last 3 years to the Safety Code were aimed at 3D modelers. First it was "Touching the aircraft..." (only a 3Der could do that!) then it was the 25 foot separation (we've been landing closer than that for ever) and finally the Rule 9 change that attempted to stop tail and wing tip touching to the ground. As you know we drew a line in the sand at that last rule and got it overturned. I'm all about safety and did not oppose the first 2 listed. But we all saw where we were headed!!! (again, read Dave's last sentence)

Having said all that, I hope you are still reading. Your perspective in this issue on MA was a huge surprise to me!!! I hope I can count you as a friend of 3D, and perhaps we can work together to assure the acceptance and growth of what I believe as you do is the future of our sport. I have seen countless young people who I have trained to solo unbelievably fast, get bored and leave because the "extreme" nature of the sport was missing. While on the other hand this weekend at a 3D meet I saw a young man (of 19 I believe) get his hands on one of these 3D electrics and within the first few flights was doing advanced 3D maneuvers. (he had trainer experience, and 10 flights on a Funtana)

So why am I writing? I'll be VERY blunt. I don't read MA. I read Dave's article, yours sometimes, check for local events, and look at the cool pics. Why? The same reason you see the extreme electrics getting young people into the hobby. There is no place in your mag for us. Where would you send one of these young people in your mag to learn, experience, and understand what they saw that weekend in Toledo? Where would you reference the reviews by serious 3D pilots of the fastest growing area of the sport? I'm sure you have limited space, so lets get serious: FF Scale? Come on, you can't meet the needs of ALL the AMA. CL Scale? If you had to statistically list the most popular areas in RC would either of these top 3D?

Well, thanks for your time if you got this far!! LOL I hope I have been able to get my points across without being too aggressive, this is a very important subject with me. I have hunkered down to keep the AMA 3D friendly rather than leave altogether as I believe there really is no alternative. I hope you can help!!!

Gordo

Gordon Barcomb
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From me to Bob Hunt:

Dear Bob,
Well, all I can say is wow. I didn't believe it was possible for a person to have an article published in MA that sounded Pro 3D or Pro extreme aerobatics. Let me back up a bit here.

My name is Frank Brumbeloe, and I too grew up in an aviation environment. My grandfather, father, uncle, and several cousins were all modelers. My father was also a full scale pilot. There were airplanes hanging in my room from birth. As a kid, if the grass was cut, and the room was clean, dad and I would often go to the local airport. We would walk the hangars looking at the planes and talking about what he liked about each one. I remember the first time I picked up a J-3 from the tail and was amazed how light it was. Becoming a modeler was a given for me.

I think you hit the nail right on the head when you talked about small and affordable electric 3D planes attracting kids to model aviation. After all, why pay lots of money for this crashable thing, when video games are more fun and cheaper. One does not repair his plane in a game. The "edge" that aviation now has is inviting to younger pilots.

I've been involved with a number of organizations that are involved is securing the future of 3D flying. Recent AMA rules have been directly aimed at restricting the flying and enjoyment of 3D. I was a voice among many that was heard when Rule #9 came about. Those voices made it clear that enough regulation had been aimed at 3D, and we were not going to allow any more. I serve as the Safety Committee Chairman at my local club, and feel like there are many pilots that can safely fly 3D. I also feel like there are many more that cannot safely land their trainer. Now, which should I spend my time and energy on? Which should the AMA spend it's time and energy on? The AMA lost track of the fact that there are people in these local clubs that can help dangerous things become safe. Just as I can help the pilot struggling with his trainer find the center of the runway, I can find a spot in this huge Wisconsin sky for the 3D pilot to fly the way he wants to.

It's nice to read an article that looks forward and admits that the future is drastically different from the past or present. My local Hobby Town USA just put in a slot car race track for folks to bring in their cars to race each other. How long until there is a caged off electric 3D area? I don't know, but it certainly wouldn't be any harder than building a track. It would certainly bring a ton of kids into the store.

I enjoyed your article, and your outlook on the electric 3D planes and the future of model aviation. Thank you for an article that says good things about what I enjoy, when Dave Brown spent most of his page telling me how bad it is and why I should not do it. Thank you for seeing it as a possibly good thing as Dave uses his last 6 lines as a call to arms against 3D pilots. He basically tells the anti 3D folks that they are not organized enough to keep up with the Pro 3D groups. I'll bet they are a little more organized next time, thanks to that last sentence.

I'm looking forward to your articles in the future.
Frank Brumbeloe
 

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Wow, Shane, I thought you ere way older! You need a life man, don't spend too much time around Frank!!!!! :lol:
 

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all I know is that Shane needs a Chuck Flyer bad :wink: :D
 

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On the way home, he was plotting and planning how to buy one. I'll be sure to let him fly the GW that I got from Alfster until he gets one, but not too much... :wink:
 

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I think im going to get one of those new Horizon Hobbies E-flight tributes, i know a chuck flyer would be way cooler but hes a busy man and i don't want to bother him :D

Oh yeah...Frank whats so sad about me being 15? :D
 

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There is nothing wrong with 15. If I could take 33 years of knowledge and understanding and go back to my 15 year old body and energy level...

:shock: Damn, that's a scarry thing...

But, I wouldn't trade the knowledge and understanding outright. No matter what anyone says, enrollment for the school of hard knocks STARTS AT 18. Enjoy every day of every year.
 

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3Dn'4Life said:
I think im going to get one of those new Horizon Hobbies E-flight tributes, i know a chuck flyer would be way cooler but hes a busy man and i don't want to bother him :D
:shock: hell no ! Thought you really enjoyed the Chuck Flyer ? Wait for a chuck flyer to come available. Much better then the tributes. Don't do this to yourself. :roll:
Chuck, you need to help Shane out here and by all means avoid that he buys that Tribute.
 

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i HAD A tRIDENT i COULDN'T GIVE AWAY AT hOUSTON, SO i DIDN'T EVEN BRING IT TO mEMPHO.

Damn, when I am running AutoCad I leave the cap locks on.. anyway..

The Trident is similar to the Tribute. Ain't neither one a 3D monster, but nice flying planes.

There won't be any ChuckFlyers becoming available, it helped pass the time and pay the bills when I was unemployed, but I just cannot spend every free minute building planes for half of what I could make if working at McDonalds. Sorry.
 
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