Crash switches / Mixes for 3D ?

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Rik756

Discussion Starter · Oct 14, 2004

OK fellas... I need some info on mixes and the like. I posted it here since if the topic is replied to, it will in theory be a tip for me and the next guy. Just wondering what if any mixes or function switches you guys use for doing 3D'ing. ie Harrier, Wall, Flat spin, Blender, Knife Edge, Hovering, Pin Wheel etc etc.

The general question for all of the below is when, why and for what do you use any of the following. What circumstances or for what manuevers etc? The amount, percent or degrees of deflection would be helpful as well.

I listed the the name as best I recall, I may be calling some things by the wrong names... Help with the proper names would be good too.

Elevator/Flap mix ie up elevator simultanious with both ailerons going down X amount while still funstioning as ailerons.

Spolierons- ie both ailerons go up X amount while still functioning as ailerons.

Flaps (flapersons?)- - ie both ailerons go down X amount while still functioning as ailerons.

Aileron/Rudder mix- ie left ailerons mixed with left/right rudder and what amount.

Throttle/rudder mix- ie as throttle increases it moves the rudder x amount to compensate for torque, and what amount.

Elevator/Rudder mix- what does it do and why would you use it?

Differential- what does it do and when/why would you use it?

How do you, "mix out" coupling for a knife edge?

If there's a single source/article that explains all of this then great, but I haven't been able to find it...

Are there other mixes anyone uses?

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3d-aholic

· #2 · Oct 14, 2004

How do you, "mix out" coupling for a knife edge?

I use both hands.

I would be scared to fly a radio with this many things going on. I have a tough time keeping the 3-4 switches I have set to do things. Like coupling the rudder to the throttle for torque....that seems awfully problematic to me.[/u]

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Spaz

· #3 · Oct 14, 2004

for throttle rudder mix
i set the engine wiuth a small amount of right thrust, like 1-2deg
and then i judge whether more is needed with the vert upline test if more is needed i mix about -3% with low throttle and +3% high throttle of right rudder that way the rudder is centered at idle and moves 6% total in the right direction, after testing that i just play with the amount but i dont have it on a switch no reason to turn it off

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lomcevek1

· #4 · Oct 14, 2004

Quite a few of those mixes are nice for circle jerks who don't know how to fly and rely on a computer to do it for them.

However !!

There are a few that are nice for 3D

Flaperon and mixes work well for tight waterfalls.

Spoilerons are great for elevators and harriers, or at least to help lessen the wing rocking.

Be careful though as some of these mixes can cause problems if you get into trouble, for that I set a separate switch ie a panic button to get rid of all the mixes and just fly out.

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Gordo

· #5 · Oct 14, 2004

lomcevek1 said:
Be careful though as some of these mixes can cause problems if you get into trouble, for that I set a separate switch ie a panic button to get rid of all the mixes and just fly out.

Yeah, like haveing the spoierons on while experienceing a failure of the cooling fan (deadstick) Talk about a bad glide ratio!!! Also bad trying to takeoff with said mix on...

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Scat-r-d

· #6 · Oct 14, 2004

Amen Gordo!!! I thought I was the only one who ever did such a thing, but now I don't feel so bad..

About the only mixes I use are flaperon and spoileron.
I use about 50% mix on both and that seems to be about the best for me, at least with my MVP.
I'll see how these work and adjust according to taste on the Burrito.

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3d-aholic

· #7 · Oct 14, 2004

lomcevek1 said:
Be careful though as some of these mixes can cause problems if you get into trouble, for that I set a separate switch ie a panic button to get rid of all the mixes and just fly out.

All I have one switch for flap and spoilers inverse to elevator...but I might try some others if I knew how to create a single panic button switch - how do you do that?

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Rik756

Discussion Starter · #8 · Oct 15, 2004

how to create a single panic button switch - how do you do that?

That would be cool.... I don't know if my radio could do that?

I have used elevator/flap mix, but never really messed with spoilerons at all. How do you know how much to mix in the first time? I don't want to get too extreme...

Flaperon and mixes work well for tight waterfalls.

Which mixes?

3-4 switches I have set to do things

What do you have them set for?

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RayJ

· #9 · Oct 15, 2004

rik756 said:
how to create a single panic button switch - how do you do that?

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That would be cool.... I don't know if my radio could do that?

I have used elevator/flap mix, but never really messed with spoilerons at all. How do you know how much to mix in the first time? I don't want to get too extreme...

Flaperon and mixes work well for tight waterfalls.

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Which mixes?

3-4 switches I have set to do things

Click to expand...

What do you have them set for?

Dude!!!!.....

First learn to fly THEN worry about mixes!!!!!!!!

:lol:

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Rik756

Discussion Starter · #10 · Oct 15, 2004

First learn to fly THEN worry about mixes!!!!!!!!

LOL, something about a pot and a kettle ?

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Burrito Bandito

· #11 · Oct 15, 2004

Rick...FWIW, you had it right with the crash switch reference.

For me Flaperons and spoilerons are about it. 30% is usually a good starting point. I did mix in some right rudder to throttle on my EF, but kept forgetting to turn on the switch so I just added a washer and got on with my life.

I think that you will find that most who fly really well (me NOT included) don't really use too many mixes. I remember standing next to Gator once on the flight line and asking him what mixes are you using? He said: "Mixeeeees? We don need no stinkin mixeeees!"

Just burn some 3D Juice dude!

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RayJ

· #12 · Oct 15, 2004

rik756 said:
First learn to fly THEN worry about mixes!!!!!!!!

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LOL, something about a pot and a kettle ?

Is there anything in that post suggesting I CAN????

Did not think so!!!!!

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