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i wanted to know my rep a little better so i wrote him a letter. here you are.
my letter is as follows;
are you in support of changing the the offending language in the proposed rule #9. do you think that adding rule #9 will make rc flight safer. and last, but deffinately not least, if the AMA is so intent on preventing accidents, then why isnt there a dedicated section in Model Aviation to help express the AMA's position on this. thank you again for your time.
bill oberdieck reponded;
I'll answer your questions with questions if you don't mind
what do you consider offending language and why?
can you guarantee 100% that a malfunction of some kind will not occur? not necessarily pilotage.
What would you like to see in a safety column.
Your answers are my concern as to how I react if and when # 9 comes up for reconsideration,if it does.
Another factor that most 3Der's do not consider. A small indoor electric powerful enough to hover indoors can put out an eye.
A 40% giant scale could take out at 3 spectators.
I presume you are a 3d pilot. How much of the responsibilty are you willing to accept.
And ask this of your pilot friends, How many even know where the safety code can be found or know its contents.
I for one have flown just about everything in aeromodeling except a turbine. And I am a full scale single, multi engine flight and ground instructor. The latter just FYI.
Please consider that the safety code is a document for all 170,000(12,300 in D7) of us to help reduce accidents.
I am looking forward to your comments.
Thank you for your interest in this subject.
Bill
i responded;
first of all, i just want to thank you for taking time to send an email that wasnt a political copy(read DB)
ok. i cannot guarentee that a servo will not glitch(and cause a malfunction) any more than i can guarantee a prop will not leave its engine during the start up of a trainer, or that a poor soul might inadvertantly stick his digit in the prop. what im trying to say is that where do we draw a line in safety regulation. i personaly dont believe that the man flying that 40% multi thousand dollar plane at zero air speed poses a risk worth creating a rule to stop him from displaying an exteme amount of diciplene in rc model airplane control. i aslo feel that allowing rule #9 to pass is just the beginning of more rules that will take away the freedom of flying 3d.
as soon as my starter hits the spinner i assume all responsibility of my aircraft. i dont understand how anyone could believe otherwise.
im not asking for anything in particular be brought up about safety, i just think that there should be a section in model aviation that would address procedures, experiences, tips, etc. im sure some members know ways to achieve safety in certain circumstaces better than others(ex. start-up procedure, range tests, battery maintenence, personal experiences of what not-to-do). it could have letters from members giving tips, the ama's view, and maybe even articles about things like rule #9 controversy. it would allow the ama to have a formal setting for safety and accident prevention that its members could be active in.
once again, thank you for your time.
and once again bill wrote;
You're welcome. I take pride in what I do as a representative of the membership of D-7.
That is the point, no one can guarrantee that a malfunction will not happen. So why push the envelope by allowing a model aircraft to be touched while in flight by someone. Secondly as for tail touching the ground or water as I have seen both, what forces are placed on the linkage,servo's connectors etc. Snap anyone of them and you have a control surface without control. Think about this, how many pilots use rudder after the plane leaves the ground. In my travels I haven't seen one in 100.The only exception is someone trying to torque rolling or hovering. But lets see that person try to fly without a rudder control of for that matter elevator.How would you land a model if you lost your elevator.
The question is not of pilot dexterity with the sticks(I only use a single stick) but how to avoid and incident. Why is it necessary to touch the rudder to the ground.Only because some TOC guy can. Whoopie.
You said you accept responsibility every time you start your engine. Lets say you are flying a 40 size trainer and for some reason you lose control. It doesn't matter what the cause is you don't have control. your plane crashes into a crowd of bystanders and some gets hurt. what happens next???? Bottom line is you get sued, the club gets sued and eventually the AMA is asked to defend you in court to pay a settlement. BUT you said you accept the responsibility when you started the engine. That being said then you should pay for all medical bills, NADA. So you see it is not just the 3D guys it is everyone. The bottom line is common sense. just like not driving your car 100mph in a school zone.This is not what you wanted to hear I'm sure. But thinking of the consequences before you do something just might make your day a little safer. And I will forward your request for a safety column for the magazine.
what are your thoughts so far on this conversation. obviously im not going to change his mind but, ill tell you what, he has more balls than DB and actually reads and writes his own letters. i basically wanted to know my reps pov on this subject.
my letter is as follows;
are you in support of changing the the offending language in the proposed rule #9. do you think that adding rule #9 will make rc flight safer. and last, but deffinately not least, if the AMA is so intent on preventing accidents, then why isnt there a dedicated section in Model Aviation to help express the AMA's position on this. thank you again for your time.
bill oberdieck reponded;
I'll answer your questions with questions if you don't mind
what do you consider offending language and why?
can you guarantee 100% that a malfunction of some kind will not occur? not necessarily pilotage.
What would you like to see in a safety column.
Your answers are my concern as to how I react if and when # 9 comes up for reconsideration,if it does.
Another factor that most 3Der's do not consider. A small indoor electric powerful enough to hover indoors can put out an eye.
A 40% giant scale could take out at 3 spectators.
I presume you are a 3d pilot. How much of the responsibilty are you willing to accept.
And ask this of your pilot friends, How many even know where the safety code can be found or know its contents.
I for one have flown just about everything in aeromodeling except a turbine. And I am a full scale single, multi engine flight and ground instructor. The latter just FYI.
Please consider that the safety code is a document for all 170,000(12,300 in D7) of us to help reduce accidents.
I am looking forward to your comments.
Thank you for your interest in this subject.
Bill
i responded;
first of all, i just want to thank you for taking time to send an email that wasnt a political copy(read DB)
ok. i cannot guarentee that a servo will not glitch(and cause a malfunction) any more than i can guarantee a prop will not leave its engine during the start up of a trainer, or that a poor soul might inadvertantly stick his digit in the prop. what im trying to say is that where do we draw a line in safety regulation. i personaly dont believe that the man flying that 40% multi thousand dollar plane at zero air speed poses a risk worth creating a rule to stop him from displaying an exteme amount of diciplene in rc model airplane control. i aslo feel that allowing rule #9 to pass is just the beginning of more rules that will take away the freedom of flying 3d.
as soon as my starter hits the spinner i assume all responsibility of my aircraft. i dont understand how anyone could believe otherwise.
im not asking for anything in particular be brought up about safety, i just think that there should be a section in model aviation that would address procedures, experiences, tips, etc. im sure some members know ways to achieve safety in certain circumstaces better than others(ex. start-up procedure, range tests, battery maintenence, personal experiences of what not-to-do). it could have letters from members giving tips, the ama's view, and maybe even articles about things like rule #9 controversy. it would allow the ama to have a formal setting for safety and accident prevention that its members could be active in.
once again, thank you for your time.
and once again bill wrote;
You're welcome. I take pride in what I do as a representative of the membership of D-7.
That is the point, no one can guarrantee that a malfunction will not happen. So why push the envelope by allowing a model aircraft to be touched while in flight by someone. Secondly as for tail touching the ground or water as I have seen both, what forces are placed on the linkage,servo's connectors etc. Snap anyone of them and you have a control surface without control. Think about this, how many pilots use rudder after the plane leaves the ground. In my travels I haven't seen one in 100.The only exception is someone trying to torque rolling or hovering. But lets see that person try to fly without a rudder control of for that matter elevator.How would you land a model if you lost your elevator.
The question is not of pilot dexterity with the sticks(I only use a single stick) but how to avoid and incident. Why is it necessary to touch the rudder to the ground.Only because some TOC guy can. Whoopie.
You said you accept responsibility every time you start your engine. Lets say you are flying a 40 size trainer and for some reason you lose control. It doesn't matter what the cause is you don't have control. your plane crashes into a crowd of bystanders and some gets hurt. what happens next???? Bottom line is you get sued, the club gets sued and eventually the AMA is asked to defend you in court to pay a settlement. BUT you said you accept the responsibility when you started the engine. That being said then you should pay for all medical bills, NADA. So you see it is not just the 3D guys it is everyone. The bottom line is common sense. just like not driving your car 100mph in a school zone.This is not what you wanted to hear I'm sure. But thinking of the consequences before you do something just might make your day a little safer. And I will forward your request for a safety column for the magazine.
what are your thoughts so far on this conversation. obviously im not going to change his mind but, ill tell you what, he has more balls than DB and actually reads and writes his own letters. i basically wanted to know my reps pov on this subject.
