OK fine, then. I'll just keep 'em. Actually a friend of mine (non- flyer) has a son that wants a plane and club membership for Christmas. He was talking about spending $150 for some electric rig, told him I'd set him up with a trainer for that price. Got another friend that offered me all his old R/C stuff, since he never actually got around to flying any of it. I'll finish the Ace Whiz and put the Evo on it for the kid , get the pipe for the .51 and put it on the Burrito, 'till I can get that Saito 