So I pulled out my fully charged Primo this past weekend. Upon a ground check three servos are not only sluggish but barely moving at all. When I throw the sticks the control surfaces either move really sloooooooooooowly or not at all. I have not flown this plane in a while, but I have never experienced this with planes, I've not flown for years... Battery is charged and 2.4 is bound to the plane. I mean is it on the rx side, servo grease, wire connections?! Before I start tearing everything apart and looking, has anyone ever experienced this. I searched the threads but didn't find anything. If anyone has some advice or can point me at the right thread, I'd appreciate it. Thanks
I'd suspect the battery. You sure it's still good? Just because it shows full voltage doesn't mean it still good. Could also have a short causing issues.
There's your problem. Typical NiMH that can't maintain a voltage under a load.
Put a voltmeter on the battery output and measure the voltage while the servos are idling, then measure it again while moving the servos. I'm betting the voltage is seriously dropping under a load. Running this test was the final straw that scared me away from using NiMH batteries in any plane. All of them have since been replaced with either A123 or LiFe.
McDDD is right -- that'll be a pack made from AA cells and they are *crap* at delivering any decent amount of current, especially once they start getting old.
The only other time I've seen servos run slow like that is when I've had a few knocks on some Hitec coreless servos. This can cause the wire rotor to deform and rub on the magnets. That slows the whole motor down and causes the servo to draw lots of extra current as well.
I always thought the HydriMax packs were junk. Any NiMH packs I use all come from NoBS Batteries. These days it certainly looks like the A123 packs from WWRC are the way to go.
You will need the 1100 for the Primo. He has the FMA chargers that work great. In the combo deal you get the Batt, Charger and a charge lead. A great deal and worth every nickel.
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If that battery is bad, I highly recommend WWRC A123.
Got an A123 2300 and a cellpro modified by factory to do A123. Chargers have to have a function for A123, some of the newer ones do them all.
I'm not totally against Nimh batts. Been reading about them and they don't like being partially drained and charged again, don't like being discharged hot or charged hot and really don't like having their voltage reversed. Any of this type of usage can cause one or more cells to drop voltage faster than the others at one point or another, even though none of the cells are really bad. The method given for conditioning Nimh cells in this state is to discharge the pack to .9 volts per cell at a very low rate (like .5C or less) to get all of them to dump without reversing voltage badly in the first cells to dump. Then charge them up at 1c or less and repeat at least two more times. It's a slow process. I've been using Nimh batts in my TXs. They seem fine for that but do seemed to lose capacity after a year or so. I have done the above procedure and it does seem to restore them to better balance, not new capacity but give even voltage for long periods again. Still a slow process and I don't trust them for airborn packs for the above reasons and for the fact I haven't seen any Nimhs, even good sanyos designed for high discharge that can be relied on. For airborn packs, I am going to A123s on all of them. I've still heard very few reports of A123s going bad despite some real rough treatment. :tu:
I too use the accucell 6, and I crank it up! I love me some a123, won't use anything else. I lost a plane in the woods in the spring. Found just about everything, except for the battery and rx. Well, found em both about two weeks ago. Rx is shot, but guess who got cycled a couple times and has been just fine? Yup, a wwrc 1100 pack.
Sorry SU. Totally overlooked your first post with advice...scrolling on the droid. Thanks for all the comments. I'll start with all the aforementioned advice and drill my way down to the core which may ultimately be the batteries. Any rate gonna make the battery move.. I hope one year I can make that drive up to a PB and meet some of you guys..work makes it tough tough...maybe next year. :rockon:
One nice thing about the FMA Cellpro charger is you only have to plug in the balance plug. With some of my other chargers, you have to plug the main power lead and the balance plug to the charger. I do a balance charge every time.
QUICK QUESTION.......... What's wrong with good old Nicads?
I can't remember a failure in many years, I own about a dozen different style chargers that charge and dis-charge......Why not stick with Nicads??? :dk:
They also develop a memory over time. The largest reason to go to a123 is the discharge curve. A123 holds voltage till just before they are dead. Nicad loses voltage at a steady rate so your servos get progressively slower as they discharge.
Sorry guys, but you still have not convinced me! Nicads are heavier, true....but we're only talking grams...not really enough to warrant a re-purchase of a power source, and chargers.
The memory development issue, is a non issue, if you are aware of it, and cycle the packs every so often. I have also become very comfortable, with a battery telling me it's getting worn out, like Nut mentioned
Don't get me wrong, I'm NOT trying to start a Coke/Pepsi debate here...........I just want some of our resident battery experts to give me some reason, something ....that would motivate me to run out and buy the new technology!! :tu:
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